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30 Minutes to President's Club | No-Nonsense Sales

Author: Armand Farrokh & Nick Cegelski

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The #1 sales podcast in the world, fueled by hyper-actionable sales tactics from the top 1% sellers at companies like Salesforce, Gong, Outreach, Slack, LinkedIn, Keller Williams, Northwestern Mutual.


30 Minutes to President's Club cuts all the BS, fluffy mindset stories, and sales academia to give you the most actionable sales tactics that get you to President's Club. Every episode is a supercharged 30 minutes where you'll hear step-by-step breakdowns in every key dimension of sales, including:


  • Prospecting: How to open conversations to triple your pipeline

  • Discovery: How to ask questions that uncover massive pain

  • Process: How to get big contracts over the line

  • Leadership: How to hire and train world class teams.


Your founding hosts are Nick Cegelski (3x top enterprise seller) and Armand Farrokh (VP of Sales at 29, ex-Pave, ex-Carta) joined by co-host Mark Kosoglow (CRO @ Catalyst, ex-Outreach). 


Whether you're seller listening to the (SELL) show or leader tuning into the (LEAD) show…


Get ready, you're going to President's Club.

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Get your forecasting resources ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Commit Deal Essentials: Reps must report four details for commit deals: dollar amount, close date, economic buyer, and their engagement. If not engaged, share the plan to involve them. Three Forecast Methods: Use a top-down pipeline view, a bottoms-up deal analysis, and AI tools for better forecast accuracy. Combining these improves reliability. Quarterly Milestones: By month one, secure 50% of forecasted deals. Month two should see 60% closed, leading to 100% by month three. Prioritize Best Case Deals: Spend less time on commits with clear criteria. Focus on best-case deals and strategies to convert a few more into wins. TAYLOR'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: VP of Sales @ Xactly RVP, Sales - NA Growth & Commercial @ Xactly RVP, Sales - West & NA Growth Head of GTM @ roOomy RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Streamline Proposals: Remove unnecessary features to cut costs and stand out from competitors with bloated quotes. If prospects need a feature, they’ll request it, giving you control to reintroduce it strategically. Ask Questions on RFPs: Use RFP responses to ask about priorities and requirements, opening the door for discovery and tailoring your response to their needs. Disqualify Early: Disqualify deals if your product isn’t a fit or their problem seems like a “nice-to-have.” Identifying this early saves time and lets you focus on better opportunities. Test Product Gaps: If a feature is missing, ask how critical it is to their goals. Confirm whether this gap is disqualifying or if the deal can move forward. JOHNNY'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB Commercial Account Executive @ Talkdesk Enterprise Sales Development Manager @Talkdesk Team Lead, Enterprise Sales Development @ Mimeo Enterprise SDR @ Mimeo RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Give Johnny a Follow
FOUR ACTIONABLE SALES TAKEAWAYS During demos, connect features shown to insights gathered during Discovery. Address confusion promptly and facilitate discussions rather than relying on your Solutions Consultant. Make your effort visible to prospects when working on the business case. Let them know you're actively involved and invite collaboration, which fosters reciprocity. Refine and finalize your business case incrementally. Use the demo to make the case tangible and save detailed financial discussions for the final business case meeting. When negotiating and faced with a request for a discount, refrain from immediate responses. Silence can be powerful as it prompts the prospect to reconsider or elaborate on their request. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Enterprise Account Executive @ Webflow Senior Account Executive @ Webflow Account Executive @ Webflow Senior Corporate Account Executive @ Udemy RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
Mark and Armand walk through the steps needed to provide effective ongoing training to your sales team. ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Use a capability & cognitive load matrix to decide what to focus your training on The best person for the job to be running that training and sales enablement is the most respected rep or manager on the team Train your managers before you train your teams Establish existing weekly rhythms then drop the reinforcement into one of those existing rhythms so you're not adding new meetings RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Ask for Competitor Proposals: If a prospect cites competitor pricing, request their proposal to directly compare offerings and address discrepancies. Rank Negotiation Priorities: When prospects negotiate on multiple factors, ask them to prioritize what matters most, then focus concessions on top-ranked items. Meet Two Key Pricing Criteria: Share pricing only when the prospect acknowledges your solution addresses a critical pain and they influence or approve purchasing decisions. Create a Cost for Discounts: When asked for a discount, request the prospect to identify features or services they are willing to remove, framing concessions as a trade-off. JOHNNY'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB Commercial Account Executive @ Talkdesk Enterprise Sales Development Manager @Talkdesk Team Lead, Enterprise Sales Development @ Mimeo Enterprise SDR @ Mimeo RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal How to finish a negotiation in one cut
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Explore two types of impact with your prospect: hard metrics (e.g., hours spent, money lost) and soft impact. Address pain points in other departments to accelerate deals and improve win rates. Turn situations into problems by asking questions that highlight known pain points with competitors. If ghosted late in the deal cycle, offer to email the next key contact directly to prompt a response. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Account Executive @ Webflow Account Executive @ SafeGraph Account Executive @ Procore Technologies RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Uncover what’s not working: Use varied questions in one-on-ones, like “If you had a magic wand, what would you change?” or “Where have we let you down in the sales cycle?” to surface actionable feedback. Run radical candor sessions: Gather reps for skip-level feedback on their manager. Facilitate discussions on what the manager should keep, stop, or start doing, and provide actionable feedback to the manager for growth. Stay connected with the team: Conduct regular skip-level meetings, whether quarterly one-on-ones or group discussions, to maintain trust and understand team challenges directly. Lead with strategic priorities: Focus on 2-3 key quarterly initiatives, like improving prospecting systems or revamping coaching processes, to drive long-term business impact beyond daily operations. STEPHANIE'S PATH TO PRESIDENT'S CLUB: VP of Global Sales at PandaDoc Chief Revenue Officer at Sprig Chief Revenue Officer at FlowHub VP of Sales, SMB at Glassdoor RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Leverage Twitter for Outreach: Use X (formerly Twitter) creatively to direct prospects to your personalized email. Vin records and tweets videos at CMOs to grab their attention. Smart Follow-Up Strategies: If emails aren’t opened, start a new thread. If they’re being opened, reply to the same thread to keep your outreach efforts visible. Cold Email Framework: Craft emails with an observation, the problem, a solution, and a clear call to action for maximum impact. Use Unique Triggers for Follow-Ups: Don’t repeat the same email. Write four emails based on different research triggers to keep your outreach relevant and engaging. VIN'S PATH TO PRESIDENT'S CLUB: Founder @ CreatorBuzz Senior Account Executive @ DemandBase Account Executive, Mid-Market @ DemandBase Enterprise Business Development Rep @ DemandBase RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Schedule regular meetings with your champion to maintain deal momentum and reduce scheduling friction Schedule multiple next steps simultaneously if they're not dependent on each other to accelerate the deal. Determine whether the prospect will present, ask, or inform the board about the purchase, and prepare accordingly. Ask your champion questions that they might not know, prompting them to involve higher-ups who can provide answers. SAM'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: CEO @ Sam Sales Head of Enterprise Sales @ LinkedIn Vice President North America Sales @ ON24 RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Segmented Team Structure: Down-market teams focus on landing new logos, passing them to expand teams, while up-market AEs handle both acquisition and expansion with retention-based comp. Enterprise Sales Strategies: Use top-down (sell wall-to-wall) or land-and-expand approaches, with the latter yielding higher LTV by scaling through business units first. Deal Inspection Triggers: Monitor $50K deals at stage 3 for POCs and access to power, and stage 5 for mutual action plans and the paper process. Consistent Review Rhythm: Reps update pipelines Monday, managers review Tuesday, deal reviews happen Wednesday, and Eleanor finalizes calls Thursday. ELEANOR'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: - Head of Sales @ Retool - Global Head of Commercial Retention & Regional Director of Commercial Sales @ Segment - Global Head of Commercial Renewals and Retention @ Segment - Head of Customer Success and Solutions engineering @ Clever Inc RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal 
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Identify Strategic Initiatives: Focus on big company bets that are close to revenue, such as IPOs, international expansions, or mergers and acquisitions. Double Personalize Outreach: Combine company-specific observations with industry trends to create messaging that feels hyper-relevant. Build a Strategic Research Framework: Create a table to map key initiatives (e.g., IPO readiness) on one side and sources of information (e.g., 10-K reports, CEO interviews, press releases) on the other. Leverage AI for Efficiency: Use tools like ChatGPT or Copy AI to analyze information from sources like job postings, financial documents, or industry trends. KYLE'S PATH TO PRESIDENT'S CLUB: CMO @ Copy.ai CMO @ Clari VP, Revenue Growth & Enablement @ Clari Director Sales Development & Enablement @ Clari Sr. Director Sales Development & Optimization @ Looker RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Gauge your prospect’s enthusiasm by asking where they fall on a scale from one to ten, providing more insight than a simple yes/no question. Ask your prospect what they discuss in internal meetings to tailor your pitch to resonate with their executive team. Avoid showing too much software to prevent prospects from associating the product with unnecessary features and higher costs. Recap previous conversations and then ask the executive what you might have missed, ensuring you address their specific needs while demonstrating your product. STEVEN'S PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB SVP of Sales @ ZoomInfo VP of Sales @ ZoomInfo Director of Sales @ ZoomInfo Manager, Enterprise Sales @ ZoomInfo RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
Mark Kosoglow walks through the key skills, responsibilities, and attributes for a Sales Leader at each phase of company growth Doer Phase (0 to $1M ARR): The initial stage focused on finding product-market fit. The sales leader handles everything, including cold calls, demos, building sales systems, and refining the sales process. They act as an individual contributor, ensuring the company moves forward without distracting other key team members. Key trait: Being a hands-on, self-reliant executor. Builder Phase ($1M to $10M ARR): The leader transitions to hiring and scaling the team, typically starting with individual contributors (AEs and SDRs). Still involved in selling but begins to set foundational systems, processes, and training. They document best practices and create repeatable frameworks while maintaining some "doer" responsibilities. Key trait: Hiring and building effective teams and processes. Doctor Phase ($10M to $25M ARR): The leader becomes more metrics-driven, focusing on diagnosing and optimizing performance based on data. Begins managing managers and spending more time collaborating cross-departmentally (e.g., with RevOps, marketing, and customer success). Key trait: Using data and metrics (L1 and L2) to prevent thrash and fine-tune the organization’s operations. Architect Phase ($25M to $100M ARR): The leader’s role expands to a more executive level, crafting the overall blueprint for the sales organization in alignment with other departments. Focus on segmentation, pricing strategies, and designing compensation plans that drive desired behaviours. They influence larger strategic initiatives and ensure the execution aligns with organizational goals. Key trait: Seeing the big picture and designing a cohesive GTM blueprint. Communicator Phase ($100M+ ARR): The leader’s primary role becomes communication: setting clear expectations, timelines, and evaluating the mental models used by the team to meet goals. The focus shifts outward, ensuring alignment across broader organizational and market dynamics. Key trait: Clear and effective communication to drive alignment and execution at scale. RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Limit Pricing Options to Three: Offering more than three options overwhelms prospects. Present only the most relevant three to simplify decision-making. Leverage Value-Add Incentives: Highlight low-cost-to-you, high-value items (like waived fees or extra features) to steer prospects toward larger packages. Present Pricing with a Range: Start with a floor price and give a range based on factors, allowing flexibility while avoiding sticker shock. Use Strategic Comparisons: Position your premium option near a slightly lower-tier offer to make it an attractive choice, while avoiding comparisons to much cheaper options. BELAL'S PATH TO PRESIDENT'S CLUB Founder @ LearnToSell.io Head of Sales @ GTM Buddy Enterprise Account Executive @ ClearBit Head of Business Development @ BioIQ RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Start by assuming the prospect has researched your solution if they say yes suggest a common objection why they didn't pursue it, if they say no then ask a question to highlight a knowledge gap When explaining your solution, emphasize the before state and the problems associated with it to create contrast with your solution's end-state Ask about specific situations to accurately identify the exact problems the prospect is facing Learn and practice delivering problem stories that are tailored to each potential situation your buyers may be in PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Founder, Braun Training Former Head of Sales @ Basecamp Former VP of Inside Sales @ Jellyvision RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Josh Braun's Tongue Tied flashcards Things you can steal
FOUR ACTIONABLE LEADERSHIP TAKEAWAYS Buddy System in Hiring: Involve the new hire’s buddy in the interview process to ensure a strong match. Focused Onboarding Ownership: Assign one person to oversee onboarding, improving retention and team quality. Call Certifications: Require reps to pass intro and demo call certifications to qualify for leads. Hands-On Training: Focus on role plays, shadowing, and practice over slide decks for effective learning. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB COO @ Growth Assistant VP of Sales @ Lattice Sales Director @ Lattice VP of Sales @ Appcues RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal https://www.30mpc.com/newsletter/my-ultimate-4-week-sales-onboarding-program
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Start with “Why Did You Take the Call?”: Kick off by understanding the prospect’s motivation. For inbound leads, ask directly, "What prompted you to reach out?" For outbound, ask, "What made you take this meeting with me?" This reveals their needs and priorities. Reserve Time for Next Steps: Set aside five minutes at the end to confirm logistics or plan a follow-up. If you need more time to dive into key topics, suggest scheduling another call. Demo Based on Pain Points: Order your demo around the most pressing pain points the prospect mentioned. Address their biggest challenges first to maintain their engagement and show value quickly. Recommend, Don’t Upsell: Avoid pushing the premium package. Focus on the solution that best meets their needs to prevent overwhelming them and risking the deal. GARRETT'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Senior Account Executive @ Pipedrive Account Executive @ Pipedrive Junior Account Executive @ Pipedrive Lead Development Rep @ Pipedrive RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Embrace Silence: Don't fear pauses in conversations. It's natural to take a moment to think about your next question or response during a conversation with a prospect. Setting Conditions for Progress: When faced with a contact unwilling to advance your connection, you have two options: Explicitly ask them what conditions need to be met for them to introduce you to a higher-level contact, like a VP of Marketing. Decide whether to follow their criteria or to prospect directly to reach your goal. Groundswell Motion Strategy: In scenarios where a sales cycle starts with an Account Executive (AE), begin by offering assistance to the AE. This approach often leads to reciprocal help, allowing you to eventually ask for an introduction to your champion. Understanding Motives: It's crucial to discern and address two types of motives, your champion's personal motives and the business or executive motives. Educate your champion on these motives and align them with the broader business objectives to facilitate successful sales efforts. PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB Chief Revenue Officer @ Influ2 Vice President of Sales @ Siteimprove Vice President of Sales @ Apruve Vice President of Sales @ Siteimprove Director of Sales @ Siteimprove RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Ask About Interview Prep: Ask candidates, “What did you do to prepare?” to gauge their commitment and thoughtfulness. Challenge in Final Interviews: Address yellow flags, past successes, and expected challenges to identify high performers. Empower Experienced Managers in Hiring: Let senior managers make final hiring calls; stay more involved with junior managers to ensure quality. Standardize Key Processes: Create an 80% standardized approach for pipeline reviews, forecast calls, and one-on-ones, with 20% flexibility for personalization. SHANES'S PATH TO PRESIDENTS CLUB: Chief Revenue Officer @ Gong Chief Revenue Officer @ TalkDesk President @ MX EVP of Sales @ Qualtrics RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
This was a preview from our upcoming course, Cold Calls to President's Club: register for the waitlist here ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: No Value Propositions. Buzzwords make you sound like a telemarketer, and benefits fall flat without the context of a problem. Triggering Problem. Instead, lead with a problem so specific that it triggers your prospect and reminds them of a painful memory. One-Sentence Solution. If you get the problem right, all you need is one sentence to explain your solution (we do X so that the problem goes away). Interest-Based CTA. Validate their interest before you ask for the meeting, using softening language, no-based questions, and mini push-aways. RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal
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